I, too, have been told by people that Michael Barone was once a political analyst. I, too, cannot remember anything written by him worth its photons. Why oh why can't we have a better press corps?
Matthew Yglesias: It seems quite plausible to conjecture that a majority of academics in America are for Barack Obama, but does Michael Barone really expect people to believe that academics comprise the bulk of Obama's supporters? If that's right, then how does Barone explain Obama's lead in the polls? Unless I'm mistaken, academics are a pretty small slice of the overall American demographic pie.
It's all pretty bizarre. Everyone tells me that once upon a time Barone was a valuable source of information about American politics....
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For a Republican, "academic" refers... to... anyone who enjoys and/or admires thinking. If you read Barone, this seems to be what he's referring to, in context, perhaps because "intellectual elites" have either lost their sting or is too transparently a reference to "the jews." Ultimately, Barone is using "academic" not as a reference to a specific profession but rather as an "attitude." So he can simultaneously argue that "hardly anyone supports Obama, just academics!" while also giving himself enough weasel room to deny that obviously stupid claim when called on it. Posted by Tyro | April 4, 2008 12:06 PM....
SoCalJustice, I think Barone is being even more dishonest than you give him credit for. Tyro's pretty close to it -- I think he really wants to use class terms, namely "professional elite" and "(white) working class" but this (a) would involve repeating the standard description of the contest between Obama and Clinton, making his incredibly long-winded piece more obviously pointless, and (b) would amount to an admission that economic class plays a role in American politics, which the Right really hates to admit. He makes his argument even worse by talking about "academic and state capital enclaves" and grouping together "academics and public employees (and of course many, perhaps most, academics in the United States are public employees)". Most public employees, however, are not "academics" or even necessarily holders of BAs or advanced degrees. Lots of "Jacksonians" work in the public sector, and he can't explain that huge problem in his analysis by introducing the magic of the state capitals as some kind of epicycle. Posted by Pesto | April 4, 2008 12:24 PM....
"Obviously, Obama's supporters are just academics. Well, and black people. And all those people who live in 'flyover country'. But in my predominantly white and affluent neighborhood in a coastal city, it seems to be a lot of academics."
By the way, there is a pretty obvious reason why Clinton does well among white Democratic voters in the Appalachians and the South. Barone is right it doesn't have much to do with Obama's race per se, but it also doesn't have much to do with Clinton herself being a "Jacksonian" figure (which is kinda ridiculous if you think about it for more than a second or two). Nope, it because those voters really like Bill Clinton, and they view their vote for Hillary as a de facto vote for Bill. Which is fine, but it also has absolutely no implications for what will happen among those voters when it is McCain versus Obama, rather than the Clintons versus Obama. All of which is leading me to reexamine something I have been saying for a while. I used to complain that people in the media couldn't be bothered to look at a map, which would instantly tell them that there was something wrong with their overly simplistic demographic descriptions of the Obama and Clinton coalitions. But if the next step after looking at a map is to start describing Hillary as a "Jacksonian" figure, maybe we are better off with them sticking to the demographics, misleading as those may be. Posted by DTM | April 4, 2008 12:25 PM....
Matt, you keep asking rational questions about the merits of the arguments made by irrational people. At some point, you should only have one question: Why do these people have jobs? Posted by WinSmith | April 4, 2008 12:34 PM....
Barone is misrepresenting the data. He describes Forth Bend County and Grimes county in Texas as having fast growing black populations. that isnT' the case. Fort Bend is a fast growing exurb with a large concentration of upscale Asians, whites, etc, and a older balck suburb of Missouri City. Grimes counti is where Texas A&M is located. Barone is just making things up. Posted by TexAss Watcher | April 4, 2008 1:04 PM....
Wow, the entire mountain West and north central of the United States is populated by Blacks and academics? Posted by Bill | April 4, 2008 1:19 PM....
Barone really is being ridiculous. Take his "analysis" of Utah: Out west, Obama won big in Utah, where folk hardy enough to be Democratic are apparently pretty liberal and upscale and voted 57 percent to 39 percent for Obama. But this was a kind of enclave victory, too. Over half the votes, 58 percent, were cast in Salt Lake County, though only 40 percent of the state's population lives there. The upscale neighborhood around the University of Utah, just a few miles east of the Mormon Church's headquarters, is a hotbed of liberalism—well, at least as much of a hotbed as you can find in Utah. He won 66 percent to 36 percent in Utah County with a light turnout, which shows that there are at least some liberal faculty members at Brigham Young University. It's kind of ridiculous to say that it's an enclave victory because a county with 40 percent of the population cast 58 percent of the votes, because it's pretty likely that the majority of the Democrats are in Salt Lake County. And it's double super ridiculous to write off all of Salt Lake County as an enclave because of the neighborhood around the U, which is a very small part of the county. But where Barone reduces himself to absurdity is in the first and the last sentences. What's his evidence that BYU has liberal faculty members? That Obama won Utah County. What's his evidence that Utah Democrats are liberal and upscale, something that would be news to Jim Matheson (Utah's conservative Dem congressman)? That Obama won Utah. This is pure circular argument -- he's defining Obama's supporters as upscale liberal academics (in the Utah County case, quite literally so), even though he has no evidence for this. Posted by Matt Weiner | April 4, 2008 2:05 PM....
Everyone tells me that once upon a time Barone was a valuable source of information about American politics. It's true, I swear. Back in the 1980s, he used to have a clue. I don't know what happened to him. I was living in fairly small towns during 1988-98 (mostly pre-Web years) where the papers didn't print his stuff. He changed dramatically during that period. Posted by low-tech cyclist | April 4, 2008 2:34 PM
Matt W., Spot on in tackling Barone's ridiculous Utah "reasoning." Another poorly argued element of that? Barone argues, "Out west, Obama won big in Utah, where folk hardy enough to be Democratic are apparently pretty liberal and upscale..." But this doesn't really jive when one looks at the ideological breakdown in Utah and compares it against other states, even states that Obama lost. Utah's ideological breakdown, according to exit polling, was 52/39/10 (Liberal/Moderate/Conservative). But this is virtually indistinguishable from Georgia (47/41/12), Virginia (50/38/12), Rhode Island (49/40/11), New Jersey (51/41/9), and Connecticut (55/37/8). It's much LESS liberal than Clinton states Massachusetts (59/34/7) and New York (57/33/9). The whole article is just atrocious from an evidence standpoint, but I guess that isn't really required much these days. Posted by jbryan | April 4, 2008 2:51 PM....
I used to rely heavily on Michael Barone when I covered politics. Now, reading him is an out-of-body experience. I can only imagine that he has suffered a Clintonesque descent from self-importance to self-delusion. Posted by phillygirl | April 4, 2008 7:07 PM
"That appeals enormously to voters in the academia and public-employee enclaves of America, who want to deny honor to our warriors and arrogate it to themselves..." It is, of course, long past impossible to read this without thinking of Glenn Greenwald's rogues gallery of the fat, flabby, out-of-shape, ugly Kagans et. al. I'm a middle-aged guy with bad rotator cuffs, but I make it to the gym once a week and I think I could whoop-ass on these Keyboard Kommandos myself as long as I could avoid getting sat on. What sort of "warrior" has Barone been? The right age for Vietnam, but another wuss with other priorities. Posted by Andrew J. Lazarus | April 4, 2008 7:11 PM...